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Answer to Quiz #382 - January 6, 2013
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1.  What date was this photo taken?  For what occasion?
2.  Where was it first published?
3. What was the man's name?
QUIZMASTER
ROGUES GALLERY
TinEye Alert
You can find this photo on TinEye.com,
but the quiz will be a lot more fun if you solve the puzzle on your own.
Submitted by Janice Kent-McKenzie
Congratulations to Our Winners

Collier Smith                Dawn Carlile
Marcelle Comeau                Jackie McCarty
Mike Dalton                Donna Jolley
Daniel Jolley                Carol Farrant
Arthur Hartwell                Mary Fraser
Gus Marsh                Talea Jurrens
Milene Rawlinson                Dennis Brann
Nelsen Spickard                Margaret Paxton
John Pero                Heather Rojo
Judy Pfaff                Tony Knapp
Tim Bailey                Margaret Waterman
Janice Sellers                Jean Callum
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Comments from Our Readers
From Jessica's Blogspot Cafe
The Crying Frenchman appears on p. 29.
The caption, along with another picture of the event, appears on p. 28.
These two photographs appeared later that same month in the 30 March 1941 edition of
a French newspaper, presumably from Marseille.  The relevant sections of the paper
were scanned and posted by a member of the
Axis History Forum website:
I’m old enough to remember newsreels at the movie theater.  I watched and/or
listened to a number of free-to-see-or-hear newsreels this morning with no luck.  An
aside:  The newsreels were very upbeat, presumably to boost morale during a very
miserable period in the world’s history.  Elsewhere I did find reference to the photo
being in the “LIFE” publication, “Life Goes to War, A Picture History of World War
II” published in 1977.  The photo was credited to Movietone News with a reference
to French soldiers leaving for Africa. The photo also appears on the cover of
“Surprise Attack: The Victim's Perspective” by Ephraim Kam, originally published in
1988 (2004 edition).

As for who the man is, I don’t know.  All I do know is that it is not Jacques
Bonsergent.  In 1940, at the age of 28 he was executed by the Germans.

I’ve walked on the streets in the video.  They were vibrant and alive and a joy to see.  
It’s incomprehensible that such things took place there.  Even when things look glum,
I need to remember how lucky I am.
  Carol Farrant
*****
This NARA photo is exactly like yours in its coverage, unlike the Life photo.

All in all, I find it hard to nail down every aspect of the picture -- place, date, date of
first publication, and name of the man are all disputed or unconfirmed after several
hours of online research.
 
Collier Smith
*****
I think both of our informants were giving us only half of the picture. Yours the flags,
mine the troops. Probably the troops,with Regimental Flags flying high, were putting
on a spectacle,as they boarded the ships,to hide the fact they were retreating from the
Germans. M. Jerome wasn't fooled.
 
Arthur Hartwell
*****
Looking at the picture, I pegged it at 1930s-1940s, so my first thought was images
from FDR’s funeral cortege. But, for some reason, I just thought the man looked
French.

I googled “man crying 1930s crowd scene” and this was one of the first images that
came up, with links relating to the Fall of France to the Germans in WWII- But
apparently even that is in dispute!
 
Mary Fraaser
*****
I have to say I have learned more about history doing this than I did in school.
 
Jackie McCarty
*****
It is hard for us who have never experienced war, to imagine what people went
through. As you say - the last act of defiance (keeping the flags safe). Very symbolic
and moving. I watched the short amount of footage leading to the clip of M. Barzetti,
what a range of emotions in people's faces.

The controversy around the date, and the location, reminded me of the controversy
with the "ladder quiz" but in the end after some reading I decided to go with Marseille.

It is an amazing photo.
 
Marcelle Comeau
*****
This was a tough one for me!  I loved the search.  The photo was taken on Feb. 20,
1941 in Marseille(It has been erroneously reported as having been taken in Paris on
June 14, 1940).  It was 1st published in the March 3, 1941 issue of Life Magazine.  
The gentleman is M. Jerome Barzetti..GREAT PUZZLE!!
 
Dennis Brann
*****
Some suggest that it is Jacque Bonsergent, the first civilian executed in the German
Occupation.  However that occurred in 1940, which would be very convenient if one
wanted to be attributed to the German occupation of Paris.
 
Nelsen Spickard
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I actually took a few minutes to do last week's quiz. I was surprised at the amount of
controversy over where it was taken. To think that people are talking about this
currently is amazing. I would think that if Life printed it, they would have said where
it was taken.
 
Dawn Carlile
*****
This was easy, as I remembered the photograph as being from WWII. I have both
'LIFE GOE TO WAR' and 'The Best of LIFE' so finding the photo was easy.
Publication date for photo was in 'The Best of LIFE'(issues of LIFE magazines can be
browsed on Google Books). On searching the internet I was able to find the name on
several sites. Some controversy over where and when of picture, but believe the
above to be the best scenario that fits the emotions and dress of the people.

The original picture appeared on page 29 of the March 3rd issue of LIFE. In a
subsequent issue, March 7, 1949, on page 8 there is a letter to the editor claiming to
have seen the man in the picture. He had talked to friends of the man who placed the
man in Marseilles when the picture was taken. Both issues of LIFE can be browsed
on Google Books.
 
Tony Knapp
*****
I thought this would be a cinch because I've seen that photo so many times, and I
was right as far as finding it online. However, I didn't know there was so much
controversy about the who/when/where. I always understood it to be an anonymous
Parisian watching Germans occupy his city. However. the woman to his right appears
to be applauding, an odd thing to do under those circumstances. Even if she were
pro-German, doing such a thing in that crowd would not be wise. There are many
conflicting stories, but the best answer seems to be that is Jerome Barzetti, Marseilles,
February, 1941, watching French army units evacuate. Taken by Movietone News,
and printed in Life magazine
 
Tim Bailey
*****
I yahooed parade crying=man  1940s to get to contest answers. Note somber look of
people and what appears to be a large public building in background.
 
Mike Dalton
Answers:
There is much controversy about the photo.
The answers to this quiz are the best available.
1.  February 19, 1941 in Marseille, France
The evacuation of the French regimental flags to N. Africa
for safekeeping after France had fallen to the Nazis.
2.  Life Magazine
March 3, 1941
3.  Jerome Barzetti
The Crying Frenchman
The caption on the photo in the collection of the National Archives,
(
www.archives.gov/research/military/ww2/photos/#german, Photo ww2_81.jpg) reads:

"A Frenchman weeps as German soldiers march into the French capital, Paris, on June
14, 1940, after the Allied armies had been driven back across France."

This did not make sense to many of our readers, nor to myself.  The apprehension
shown on the faces in the crowd, does not show the despair of citizens watching the
Nazi take-over of their country.  Presumably there weren't many people on the street to
witness that event. Even if there were small crowds, publicly clapping on the occasion
of the Nazi's entry into France would have been dangerous and highly inappropriate
behaviour. The woman in the picture could have been killed by drawing attention to
herself even if she were merely pretending she supported the Nazis.

Along with this explanation, credit is sometimes given for the photo to the Office for
Emergency Management. Office of War Information. Overseas Operations Branch.
New York Office. News and Features Bureau. (12/17/1942 - 09/15/1945).  If that were
correct, the photo could not have been published until after the establishment of the
agency.  Yet it first appeared in the 3 March 1941 issue of Life Magazine.

A more likely possibility is that the photograph was taken on February 19, 1941 in
Marseilles when the French regimental colors were evacuated to North Africa after the
fall of France to the Nazis.  A slightly different version of the quiz photo first appeared
in Life Magazine, March 3, 1941, long after the Nazis rolled into Paris, but only two
weeks after the French standards were retired to Africa. A photo as compelling as this
would probably not have been held back from publication. Note also that the article
seems to be reliable as it provides the rationale that the flags could not be kept in
occupied Paris, so that they were shipped to Weygand's army in North Africa.  
Maxime
Weygrand was the Vichy Goverment's Delegate-General to the North African colonies
from about September 1940 through November 1941.
Interesting Comments from Talea
It is the strangest feeling, but I felt like I had a personal connection to
this photo. My first  thought when seeing it was that it was the
liberation of France. I have no idea why that came to mind and I
don't ever remember seeing this photo before. I didn't use Tin Eye
either.

DB pointed out that all of the people were well dressed and that made
me realize that the people had probably not yet experienced actual
invasion or warfare. The had no resemblance to refugees but clearly,
their eyes show a time of collective stress for their community. The
features of the people appeared to be European in descent. At least
two of the ladies bear a resemblances to famous actresses. This
added weight to my original thoughts of France.

I went ahead and Googled "liberation of France" 1940s and Monsieur
Barzetti was in the fourth row of Google images. For some reason I
kept thinking that the man's name was Marcel. I turned out that the
man was actually named Jeropme but the photo was taken in
Marseilles....close to Marcel. How weird is that! ;-)

Talea Jurrens
The cover of Life
MagazineMarch 3, 1941
books.google.com/books...
The tears down the Frenchman's cheeks were shed with many others on the streets of
Marseille.  The sight which caused them was the procession shown below. The flags of
defeated French regiments, stranded since last June in Unoccupied France, were being
carried down to the docks to be sent to Algeria.  Ordinarily these flags would be kept in
a Paris museum, as they were after the Franco-Prussian War, but today Paris is
occupied territory.  Hence the flags were shipped, for safe-keeping, to General
Weygand's colonial army.
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The website Iconic Photos may
provide an additional clue that the
photograph was taken in Marseille in
the form of a letter to the editor,
published in Life Magazine on March
7, 1949. The story told by the letter's
author Leo F. Eisert of seeing the
same man in Parish some years later,
has not been authenticated, nor does it
give the man's name. So it is
uncertain how much weight to give
Eisert's eye-witness account. Eisert
could have seen the original photo and
caption from the magazine's March
1941 issue and written a letter to the
magazine with a fake report just to
see his name in print. We include it
here for the reader to judge its
authenticity.
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Front page (30th March 1941)
Les Drapeaux des Régiments dissous
partent pour l'Afrique
Un Français pleure
voir page 2
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Les Drapeaux s'en vont, un Français
pleure...

Notre couverture représente une scéne
photographiée au cours d'une emouvante
cérémonie qui a eu lieu récemment à
Marseille. Les Drapeaux des Régiments
dissous aprés l'Armistice s'embarquent
pour l'Afrique du Nord. La foule assiste à
leur défilé, muette et bouleversée de
tristesse patriotique et de ferveur. Un
Although the photo itself is not dated, the fact that it appeared in a French newspaper
and gives the location specifically as Marseilles, supports the fact that it was probably a
recent photograph taken in that location, and not one taken eight months earlier in
Paris.  
The commentators on the Axis Forum also note that the dress of the people in the
crowd is consistent with cold weather experienced by Marseille in February.  They
would not have dressed in coats and hats for the hot weather typical of Paris in July.
homme pleure à chaudes larmes et la femme qui se trouve à sa droite ne peut contenir,
elle aussi, son émotion.

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The Flags depart - a Frenchman weeps...

Our cover shows a scene photographed during an emotional ceremony that recently
took place in Marseille.  Flags of the Regiments disbanded after the Armistice embark
for North Africa - the crowd attending their show, silent and upset with patriotic
sadness and fervor.  A man cries bitter tears and the woman to his right cannot contain
her emotions.
The newsreel footage must have been the origin of the photograph in Life Magazine,
and later used by Frank Capra for
Why We Fight two years later.
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As discussed by Jesse's Café Américain , Marseille sous l'occupation by Lucien Gaillard
says that this is a photo of Monsieur Jerôme Barzetti, taken in Marseilles on February
20, 1941. This is quite some time after the Nazi entrance into Paris in June, 1940.
The photo is a still from newsreel footage much later used in a US war film directed by
Frank Capra
Chapter III - Divide and Conquer of his series Why We Fight. The film
was produced in 1943 and begins after the conquest of Poland, and includes the fall of
Benelux and France.

See the video below.  Monsieur Barzetti makes his appearance at 54:50 in the film.  
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Note:  The hands of the woman are blurred in
this version.  The people are in a slightly
different position from those in the quiz photo.