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Detroit Now & Then You can move the slider on the photos on the site to compare how a location looks today wtih how it looked in the past. detroiturbex.com/ Submitted by Quizmaster Rebecca Bare |
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Clues in the Picture |
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Quiz #466 Results |
Answer to Quiz #466- February 22, 2015 |
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Car vintage 1960s |
Wayne Co. Commission |
Elias Big Boy |
Gurney's Chophouse Bar |
Car vintage 1960s |
Googling "Gurney's Chophouse" took me to the "A Directory of Names, Pennant Numbers, and Addresses of All Members of the Ship Masters' Association of the Great Lakes, published by the Ship Masters' Association of the Great Lakes. See tiny.cc/5n0uux |
Gurney's Chophouse address is given as 12-14 Congress St., Detroit, MI. |
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According to Google Maps, the location of Gurney's Chophouse is on Congress St north of the intersection with Woodward Ave. Note that Congress St is a one-way street, with the cars facing towards the photographer. The US highway sign must indicate Hwy 12, accessed through a left turn at Randolph St. Today, Congress is still a one-way street, but with traffic flow in the other direction. |
12-14 Congress St., Detroit, MI. |
The photographer must be facing southewest down Congress Street just before the intersection with Woodward. The building with the dome must be on the other side of Congress St, about a block to the southwest. Using Google Earth or Google Street view, you will find the building is the Wayne County Commission building. |
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Topographical view of 1943 Business District of Detroit East of Woodward Avenue and South of Cadillac Square (Circle indicates approximate location of Gurney's Chophouse). www.reocities.com/michdetroit/woodcad.html |
Bob's Big Boy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Boy_Restaurants |
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1964 Ford Biscayne (top), Quiz photo car (bottom) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Biscayne |
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How Ida Solved the Puzzle |
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How Ida Solved the Puzzle |
Sometimes, in order to arrive to the most obvious clue, you have to resolve everything else, only to land to what you should have done in the first place. This is what I did: 1) Googled "congress hotel" and virtually travelled to Tucson. Coincidentally, the historical building is near the St Augustine Cathedral, but it did not appear anywhere in the srteet view, so It could not possibly be there. I even tried googling "gurney's chop house tucson" and nothing came up (headbanging right now). Later went to Chicago, easily discarded. Lastly, went to South Beach in Miami just for kicks...nada. 2. Googled "Schroeder Paint and Glass" and that took me to Detroit, even more, it mentioned the corner of Cadillac and Congress!!! having Congress and Schroeder in one single place, I immediately traveled to Detroit to such corner, and in the street view, I saw the landmark for question. 3, compared over and over, that was it!!! but I had no idea what the building was and google maps didn't tell me. I was in Street View Again, when I saw the building in the suggested pics below the screen, as Wayne County Commission. 4. Googled Wayne County Comission Building. Saw as many pics as I could, there was no doubt that was the tower seen in the pic. 5. Went east on Congress St and then turned around. It looked nothing like the quiz pic. 6. Went west on Cadillac Sq, same deal. I could see the whole Wayne County Building and, as its name clearly indicates, there was a square on the left side. 7. Googled "Greenwhich Time Pub Detroit" and learnt all about the famous and historic pub.....but it didn't contribute at all to my search. 8. Went back to the picture looking for some clues. I realized there was a little alley all the way at the front. 9. Went to the map and tried to find an alley in the area. Bingo! Congress street, west from the building. 10. Went to that corner on Street View, now I was placed exactly where the quiz pic was taken. I only needed a date, and other than the 60s-70s car, nothing was getting me any closer (neither the building, paint company, carpet company, hotel, construction of the parking lot that occupies now that whole block...). 11. A couple of hours later, when I again had a little time for the quiz, I googled again "gurney's chop house" but typed detroit instead of tucson. Voila, several links with this picture appeared everywhere (that's when I started banging my head for not having googled the bar without a city name and be done with it). 12. went to the map and checked what road number was for Woodward Avenue, and it was number 1. I think I omitted other false trails and searches, but I wanted to show how I fell under every single textbook trick this quiz has to offer only to land at the easiest clue after solving the quiz. Ida Sanchez |
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An Alternate Solution by Roger Lipsett |
This image is the first hit if you search "Gurney's Chop House", at twitter.com/vielmetti/status/560993769764306944, but it takes more work to figure out exactly where it is. There is this pretty interesting map www.reocities.com/michdetroit/woodcad.html that lists Gurney's Chop House, but apparently the street numbers on East Congress were reversed at some point. Working back and forth between that map and today, it seems that this picture was taken looking SW on East Congress Street from just SW of the intersection of East Congress and Randolph St. On the spot where Gurney's was looks like it is currently a parking lot, though it's hard to get the geography exactly right. The Greenwich Time Pub, a few doors down, says "Established 1932", so unless they're lying (impossible!), that pub is behind us in the original photo. The car is 1960s vintage, which supports the claim that the shot is from 1965. Apparently Mr. Cipriani lost his bid for the Detroit City Council, because he is not listed as a former councilman. That was no help at all. The other side of the highway sign, which is a U.S. Highway sign, probably signifies U.S. 12, which starts just to the left at the intersection with Randolph St. (Turning right today gets you to Canada). The building in background left is currently the Wayne County Commission. Interesting photo. Even then, during the heyday of the auto industry in Detroit, this was a pretty run-down area. Unbelievable what has happened to that city through a combination of happenstance, economics, and absolutely awful management. Roger Lipsett |