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| Quiz #382 Results |
| Answer to Quiz #382 - January 6, 2013 |
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| 1. What date was this photo taken? For what occasion? 2. Where was it first published? 3. What was the man's name? |
| TinEye Alert You can find this photo on TinEye.com, but the quiz will be a lot more fun if you solve the puzzle on your own. |
| Submitted by Janice Kent-McKenzie |
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| The Crying Frenchman appears on p. 29. The caption, along with another picture of the event, appears on p. 28. |
These two photographs appeared later that same month in the 30 March 1941 edition of
a French newspaper, presumably from Marseille. The relevant sections of the paper
were scanned and posted by a member of the Axis History Forum website:
a French newspaper, presumably from Marseille. The relevant sections of the paper
were scanned and posted by a member of the Axis History Forum website:
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| The Crying Frenchman |
The caption on the photo in the collection of the National Archives,
(www.archives.gov/research/military/ww2/photos/#german, Photo ww2_81.jpg) reads:
"A Frenchman weeps as German soldiers march into the French capital, Paris, on June
14, 1940, after the Allied armies had been driven back across France."
This did not make sense to many of our readers, nor to myself. The apprehension
shown on the faces in the crowd, does not show the despair of citizens watching the
Nazi take-over of their country. Presumably there weren't many people on the street to
witness that event. Even if there were small crowds, publicly clapping on the occasion
of the Nazi's entry into France would have been dangerous and highly inappropriate
behaviour. The woman in the picture could have been killed by drawing attention to
herself even if she were merely pretending she supported the Nazis.
Along with this explanation, credit is sometimes given for the photo to the Office for
Emergency Management. Office of War Information. Overseas Operations Branch.
New York Office. News and Features Bureau. (12/17/1942 - 09/15/1945). If that were
correct, the photo could not have been published until after the establishment of the
agency. Yet it first appeared in the 3 March 1941 issue of Life Magazine.
A more likely possibility is that the photograph was taken on February 19, 1941 in
Marseilles when the French regimental colors were evacuated to North Africa after the
fall of France to the Nazis. A slightly different version of the quiz photo first appeared
in Life Magazine, March 3, 1941, long after the Nazis rolled into Paris, but only two
weeks after the French standards were retired to Africa. A photo as compelling as this
would probably not have been held back from publication. Note also that the article
seems to be reliable as it provides the rationale that the flags could not be kept in
occupied Paris, so that they were shipped to Weygand's army in North Africa. Maxime
Weygrand was the Vichy Goverment's Delegate-General to the North African colonies
from about September 1940 through November 1941.
(www.archives.gov/research/military/ww2/photos/#german, Photo ww2_81.jpg) reads:
"A Frenchman weeps as German soldiers march into the French capital, Paris, on June
14, 1940, after the Allied armies had been driven back across France."
This did not make sense to many of our readers, nor to myself. The apprehension
shown on the faces in the crowd, does not show the despair of citizens watching the
Nazi take-over of their country. Presumably there weren't many people on the street to
witness that event. Even if there were small crowds, publicly clapping on the occasion
of the Nazi's entry into France would have been dangerous and highly inappropriate
behaviour. The woman in the picture could have been killed by drawing attention to
herself even if she were merely pretending she supported the Nazis.
Along with this explanation, credit is sometimes given for the photo to the Office for
Emergency Management. Office of War Information. Overseas Operations Branch.
New York Office. News and Features Bureau. (12/17/1942 - 09/15/1945). If that were
correct, the photo could not have been published until after the establishment of the
agency. Yet it first appeared in the 3 March 1941 issue of Life Magazine.
A more likely possibility is that the photograph was taken on February 19, 1941 in
Marseilles when the French regimental colors were evacuated to North Africa after the
fall of France to the Nazis. A slightly different version of the quiz photo first appeared
in Life Magazine, March 3, 1941, long after the Nazis rolled into Paris, but only two
weeks after the French standards were retired to Africa. A photo as compelling as this
would probably not have been held back from publication. Note also that the article
seems to be reliable as it provides the rationale that the flags could not be kept in
occupied Paris, so that they were shipped to Weygand's army in North Africa. Maxime
Weygrand was the Vichy Goverment's Delegate-General to the North African colonies
from about September 1940 through November 1941.
| Interesting Comments from Talea |
| It is the strangest feeling, but I felt like I had a personal connection to this photo. My first thought when seeing it was that it was the liberation of France. I have no idea why that came to mind and I don't ever remember seeing this photo before. I didn't use Tin Eye either. DB pointed out that all of the people were well dressed and that made me realize that the people had probably not yet experienced actual invasion or warfare. The had no resemblance to refugees but clearly, their eyes show a time of collective stress for their community. The features of the people appeared to be European in descent. At least two of the ladies bear a resemblances to famous actresses. This added weight to my original thoughts of France. I went ahead and Googled "liberation of France" 1940s and Monsieur Barzetti was in the fourth row of Google images. For some reason I kept thinking that the man's name was Marcel. I turned out that the man was actually named Jeropme but the photo was taken in Marseilles....close to Marcel. How weird is that! ;-) Talea Jurrens |
| The cover of Life MagazineMarch 3, 1941 books.google.com/books... |
| The tears down the Frenchman's cheeks were shed with many others on the streets of Marseille. The sight which caused them was the procession shown below. The flags of defeated French regiments, stranded since last June in Unoccupied France, were being carried down to the docks to be sent to Algeria. Ordinarily these flags would be kept in a Paris museum, as they were after the Franco-Prussian War, but today Paris is occupied territory. Hence the flags were shipped, for safe-keeping, to General Weygand's colonial army. |
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| The website Iconic Photos may provide an additional clue that the photograph was taken in Marseille in the form of a letter to the editor, published in Life Magazine on March 7, 1949. The story told by the letter's author Leo F. Eisert of seeing the same man in Parish some years later, has not been authenticated, nor does it give the man's name. So it is uncertain how much weight to give Eisert's eye-witness account. Eisert could have seen the original photo and caption from the magazine's March 1941 issue and written a letter to the magazine with a fake report just to see his name in print. We include it here for the reader to judge its authenticity. |
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| Front page (30th March 1941) Les Drapeaux des Régiments dissous partent pour l'Afrique Un Français pleure voir page 2 |
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| Les Drapeaux s'en vont, un Français pleure... Notre couverture représente une scéne photographiée au cours d'une emouvante cérémonie qui a eu lieu récemment à Marseille. Les Drapeaux des Régiments dissous aprés l'Armistice s'embarquent pour l'Afrique du Nord. La foule assiste à leur défilé, muette et bouleversée de tristesse patriotique et de ferveur. Un |
Although the photo itself is not dated, the fact that it appeared in a French newspaper
and gives the location specifically as Marseilles, supports the fact that it was probably a
recent photograph taken in that location, and not one taken eight months earlier in
Paris.
The commentators on the Axis Forum also note that the dress of the people in the
crowd is consistent with cold weather experienced by Marseille in February. They
would not have dressed in coats and hats for the hot weather typical of Paris in July.
and gives the location specifically as Marseilles, supports the fact that it was probably a
recent photograph taken in that location, and not one taken eight months earlier in
Paris.
The commentators on the Axis Forum also note that the dress of the people in the
crowd is consistent with cold weather experienced by Marseille in February. They
would not have dressed in coats and hats for the hot weather typical of Paris in July.
| homme pleure à chaudes larmes et la femme qui se trouve à sa droite ne peut contenir, elle aussi, son émotion. ***** The Flags depart - a Frenchman weeps... Our cover shows a scene photographed during an emotional ceremony that recently took place in Marseille. Flags of the Regiments disbanded after the Armistice embark for North Africa - the crowd attending their show, silent and upset with patriotic sadness and fervor. A man cries bitter tears and the woman to his right cannot contain her emotions. |
The newsreel footage must have been the origin of the photograph in Life Magazine,
and later used by Frank Capra for Why We Fight two years later.
and later used by Frank Capra for Why We Fight two years later.
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As discussed by Jesse's Café Américain , Marseille sous l'occupation by Lucien Gaillard
says that this is a photo of Monsieur Jerôme Barzetti, taken in Marseilles on February
20, 1941. This is quite some time after the Nazi entrance into Paris in June, 1940.
The photo is a still from newsreel footage much later used in a US war film directed by
Frank Capra Chapter III - Divide and Conquer of his series Why We Fight. The film
was produced in 1943 and begins after the conquest of Poland, and includes the fall of
Benelux and France.
See the video below. Monsieur Barzetti makes his appearance at 54:50 in the film.
says that this is a photo of Monsieur Jerôme Barzetti, taken in Marseilles on February
20, 1941. This is quite some time after the Nazi entrance into Paris in June, 1940.
The photo is a still from newsreel footage much later used in a US war film directed by
Frank Capra Chapter III - Divide and Conquer of his series Why We Fight. The film
was produced in 1943 and begins after the conquest of Poland, and includes the fall of
Benelux and France.
See the video below. Monsieur Barzetti makes his appearance at 54:50 in the film.
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Note: The hands of the woman are blurred in
this version. The people are in a slightly
different position from those in the quiz photo.
this version. The people are in a slightly
different position from those in the quiz photo.